tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11738269.post6250861393961560400..comments2023-10-02T05:33:15.293-05:00Comments on The Contemporary Calvinist: This Week in Calvinism - August 5, 2011Lee Sheltonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11254842261338255019noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11738269.post-36011538751457452522011-08-09T10:29:01.184-05:002011-08-09T10:29:01.184-05:00That book by Micah Coate is surely a "must re...That book by Micah Coate is surely a "must read" LOL.THEOparadoxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03214982083585956095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11738269.post-72574981351492946392011-08-05T12:39:58.424-05:002011-08-05T12:39:58.424-05:00So God has a preferential love, just not a differe...So God has a preferential love, just not a differential one? God clearly chose one over the other. I don't know how anyone can read that and think God loved both in exactly the same salvific, redemptive way.Lee Sheltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11254842261338255019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11738269.post-61188246690942372272011-08-05T12:29:34.992-05:002011-08-05T12:29:34.992-05:00But even this is debatable, considering that Paul ...But even this is debatable, considering that Paul is not referencing God's <em>personal</em> love or <em>personal</em> hatred for either men, on the one hand, or those two nations, on the other hand. The reference is to God's preference of Jacob (Israel) to be the Christ-bearer, not Esau (Edom). Your argument is not viable from this passage.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11738269.post-79524619812881791572011-08-05T11:26:03.508-05:002011-08-05T11:26:03.508-05:00You referenced Romans 9:22-23 in your post, but go...You referenced Romans 9:22-23 in your post, but go back and read verse 13 in the same chapter: "As it is written, "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.'" Whether you interpret that as referring to individuals or nations, it's quite clear that God is differentiating in his love.Lee Sheltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11254842261338255019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11738269.post-91137611090246597022011-08-05T11:11:27.077-05:002011-08-05T11:11:27.077-05:00If it were not for your theory (error) of uncondit...If it were not for your theory (error) of unconditional election, we wouldn't be having this discussion. Hence this one error leads to all the others (God's secret decrees, God's alleged love only for the unconditional elect, limited atonement, yada, yada, yada). Talk about "thinking through implications."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11738269.post-10258030623278978482011-08-05T10:55:19.384-05:002011-08-05T10:55:19.384-05:00Not many Arminians have thought through the implic...Not many Arminians have thought through the implications of a one-size-fits-all love. Rob Bell has at least done that.Lee Sheltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11254842261338255019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11738269.post-63347105167984101262011-08-05T10:20:39.578-05:002011-08-05T10:20:39.578-05:00Is this kind of love you're talking about eter...<em>Is this kind of love you're talking about eternal? What about unbelievers who have already died? Does God continue to love those lost souls currently under his wrath in the same way he loves his elect? The reason I ask is because I have heard Arminians say that God continues to love those suffering under his eternal punishment.</em><br /><br />All of this philosophizing tells me much about Calvinists and the manner in which they approach Scripture.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11738269.post-57709960885241123882011-08-05T10:18:40.579-05:002011-08-05T10:18:40.579-05:00Ephesians 5:22-32 makes it clear that earthly marr...Ephesians 5:22-32 makes it clear that earthly marriage is intended to reflect that special love Christ has for his own bride (i.e. the church/elect), so I don't think I'm making much of an exegetical leap here.<br /><br />Let me ask: Is this kind of love you're talking about eternal? What about unbelievers who have already died? Does God continue to love those lost souls currently under his wrath in the same way he loves his elect? The reason I ask is because I have heard Arminians say that God continues to love those suffering under his eternal punishment.Lee Sheltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11254842261338255019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11738269.post-9302153363890048752011-08-05T08:35:33.191-05:002011-08-05T08:35:33.191-05:00Tim LaHaye ... hahahaha ... He commented that Dave...Tim LaHaye ... hahahaha ... He commented that Dave Hunt's book, <em>What Love is This?</em>, was "the most important book of the 21st century"! Wow. He must have looked down the corridors of the 21st century and foreknew that other books would not compare to this one! <br /><br /><em>So God loves each individual in exactly the same way he loves the elect, just like I love every other person in exactly the same way I love my wife. Right?</em><br /><br />Weak. You're supposed to love your wife to a greater degree than any other woman/human being. <br /><br />That in no way, however, suggests that God, who loves the creatures He created in His image, also, in a saving sense (Ezek. 18:23; 33:11; 1 Tim. 2:4), loves people to a greater/lesser degree. To conflate the two, as Calvinists typically do, is a sophomoric error. Nor have they yet, as I suggested, exegeted such a notion from Scripture. <br /><br />God bless.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11738269.post-67083532679166521802011-08-05T07:59:37.546-05:002011-08-05T07:59:37.546-05:00Well, actually, Mr, Coate COULD pick up two copies...Well, actually, Mr, Coate COULD pick up two copies of our book...or ten, or a 1,000. We really wouldn't mind.Jeff Petersonhttp://thelightheartedcalvinist.comnoreply@blogger.com